ECS vectors v1.1.2 (by George) 19/06/2011
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Re: ECS vectors v1.1.2 (by George) 19/06/2011
Well I for one have no idea what any of that code even remotely means.
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Re: ECS vectors v1.1.2 (by George) 19/06/2011
Well, if you are ready to convert it to NML I can try to help in reading and understanding that code.KeldorKatarn wrote:Well I for one have no idea what any of that code even remotely means.
Re: ECS vectors v1.1.2 (by George) 19/06/2011
Like the chef said "Fast food is fast. Good food takes a little bit longer."KeldorKatarn wrote:I never looked into NewGRF development, so let me get this straight... before NML got introduced... you guys wrote basically bytecode?... no wonder NewGRF development takes forever....
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Re: ECS vectors v1.1.2 (by George) 19/06/2011
That's why, years ago, this was put together.KeldorKatarn wrote:Well I for one have no idea what any of that code even remotely means.
https://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/Main_Page
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Re: ECS vectors v1.1.2 (by George) 19/06/2011
Yes I know how to find a wiki. Doesn't help me with remotely understanding how any of that logic works and as I said.. byte code is a little too stone age for me to bother.
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Re: ECS vectors v1.1.2 (by George) 19/06/2011
Hey, do you still update ECS? Just a small question.
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Re: ECS vectors v1.1.2 (by George) 19/06/2011
The last update was in 2011, so I don't think it'll be updated any time soon.CodeVengeance wrote:Hey, do you still update ECS? Just a small question.
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Re: ECS vectors v1.1.2 (by George) 19/06/2011
I plan to do it someday, but I do not know whenErato wrote:The last update was in 2011, so I don't think it'll be updated any time soon.CodeVengeance wrote:Hey, do you still update ECS? Just a small question.
ECS vectors problem
Sorry cant find the original thread on ECS vectors,,,, are they even still under development?
if so i seem to have found a bug in that the Aluminium plant in the Machinery vector, and the Brick and cement works in the Basic Vectors dont seem to obey the parameter to turn off industries opening and closing,
so if i start a map with minimal industries with that flag turned off (otherwise i find i have far too many opening) i end up with a map full of ALU plants and brickworks!
if so i seem to have found a bug in that the Aluminium plant in the Machinery vector, and the Brick and cement works in the Basic Vectors dont seem to obey the parameter to turn off industries opening and closing,
so if i start a map with minimal industries with that flag turned off (otherwise i find i have far too many opening) i end up with a map full of ALU plants and brickworks!
Re: ECS vectors problem
I have found it too. Yes, it was an evident simple bug. Also Plastics plant in Chemical vector was affected. I have found and fixed it all.dasy2k1 wrote: ↑22 Jan 2020 23:45 Sorry cant find the original thread on ECS vectors,,,, are they even still under development?
if so i seem to have found a bug in that the Aluminium plant in the Machinery vector, and the Brick and cement works in the Basic Vectors dont seem to obey the parameter to turn off industries opening and closing,
so if i start a map with minimal industries with that flag turned off (otherwise i find i have far too many opening) i end up with a map full of ALU plants and brickworks!
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Re: ECS vectors v1.1.2 (by George) 19/06/2011
Hello,
Don't know if that has already been mentionned, but I won't be reading the 92 pages of this mod
When we play with ECS vectors it's almost impossible to make the production grow above 12% of all industries.
I started a test game using the cheat code CTRL + ALT + C to have a lot of starting funds. Having trains/vehicles/planes/ships always waiting for cargo; waiting to be full or even playing with timetables (different scenarios), I hardly/never get above 12%.
Actually I achieved reaching 18%... but for a few months only. This was when I got faster trains, I had 6 trains coordinated with aggressive timetables. I let the game run for an hour in accelarated mode, but the investment was not worth the revenue. After 1 hour the revenue compared to investmenent was flat.
I understand that level of production increases when over 70% i.e. https://www.tt-wiki.net/wiki/ECS_Machin ... n_ore_mine Production Change.
How can this be achived to reach not 100%, but let's say 80% of production?
Don't know if that has already been mentionned, but I won't be reading the 92 pages of this mod
When we play with ECS vectors it's almost impossible to make the production grow above 12% of all industries.
I started a test game using the cheat code CTRL + ALT + C to have a lot of starting funds. Having trains/vehicles/planes/ships always waiting for cargo; waiting to be full or even playing with timetables (different scenarios), I hardly/never get above 12%.
Actually I achieved reaching 18%... but for a few months only. This was when I got faster trains, I had 6 trains coordinated with aggressive timetables. I let the game run for an hour in accelarated mode, but the investment was not worth the revenue. After 1 hour the revenue compared to investmenent was flat.
I understand that level of production increases when over 70% i.e. https://www.tt-wiki.net/wiki/ECS_Machin ... n_ore_mine Production Change.
How can this be achived to reach not 100%, but let's say 80% of production?
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Re: ECS vectors v1.1.2 (by George) 19/06/2011
have a look at parameters, affecting station ratings. may be it would help?
https://wiki.openttd.org/Game_mechanics#Station_rating
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Re: ECS vectors v1.1.2 (by George) 19/06/2011
Thank you George. So it's possible Need to improve my managment
And really good job you have done with OpenTTD.
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And really good job you have done with OpenTTD.
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Re: ECS vectors v1.1.2 (by George) 19/06/2011
Are there any sources to be found of these fantastic graphics?
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Re: ECS vectors v1.1.2 (by George) 19/06/2011
Did you try the wiki?
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Re: ECS vectors v1.1.2 (by George) 19/06/2011
Yes, I could spot no sources there.
My idea is to see if I am able to change the graphics into objects.
These are so very nice, but rarely used (as I believe FIRS is the standard industry-set for most people).
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Re: ECS vectors v1.1.2 (by George) 19/06/2011
That is a wonderful idea, especially since I've never succeeded in placing the NeuSchwanstein Castle
Re: ECS vectors v1.1.2 (by George) 19/06/2011
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Re: ECS vectors v1.1.2 (by George) 19/06/2011
No, because not all the graphics can be freely distributed. Some graphics are granted under ECS only permissions.
But for graphics, marked by graphics by George on the wiki, you can ask me, and I'll send you the source files I have
Re: ECS vectors v1.1.2 (by George) 19/06/2011
Any plans to revamp ECS Vectors to utilize the new 16 cargoes input and output?
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